Homophobia Is Killing Our Youth

Biblical speaking, I think this can be referred to as "Sins of our fathers."

Biological or generational fathers, that is.

Homophobia Is Killing Our Youth

So is the lack of morals and discipline.

So is the lack of morals and discipline.

I'd agree if your Morals didn't stem from the Bible and included Homosexuals as "immoral", but you didn't specify so I look on the brighter side of things and just assume your not being a finger pointing, Bible thumping nut.

I'd agree if your Morals didn't stem from the Bible and included Homosexuals as "immoral", but you didn't specify so I look on the brighter side of things and just assume your not being a finger pointing, Bible thumping nut.

...using the Lord's name in vain that way to ignorantly and erroneously target gays/lesbians for judgement and hatred doesn't deserve the label "morals" regardless of one's personal belief.

...using the Lord's name in vain that way to ignorantly and erroneously target gays/lesbians for judgement and hatred doesn't deserve the label "morals" regardless of one's personal belief.

I agree,

People hide their homophobia behind Religion.

Aristotle also suggested that being angry at the right person, at the right time and to the right degree implies being skilled. Anger must be controlled but not supressed. However, I agree in that being different too often introduces hatred from others who simply do not understand.

People hide their homophobia behind Religion.

Can you blame them? If someone doesn't believe homosexuality is the exact same thing as heterosexuality (in a societal sense not in a biological sense), they get lampooned for being ignorant bigots. It isn't wrong to hate homosexuality, it is wrong to hate the people who practice it. It is also wrong to hate those "bible thumping nuts" but it is ok to hate their practices.

I will say, right here and now, homosexuality is NOT a natural thing. I don't need any religion to tell me so either; just biology. If it is in fact genectic, it should be considered a disorder. Homosexuality amongst any animal is unnatural as sexual intercourse was only meant for reproduction, nothing more. If it is psychological, maybe a chemical imbalance in the brain, start working on a cure. :D

Can you blame them? If someone doesn't believe homosexuality is the exact same thing as heterosexuality (in a societal sense not in a biological sense), they get lampooned for being ignorant bigots

Well... there's a pretty good reason that that happens: because they are ignorant bigots.

I will say, right here and now, homosexuality is NOT a natural thing.

You're wrong about that. Dolphins, bonobos, rats, cats, dogs... many higher mammals practice homosexuality and, even if it weren't natural (which it is), would that mean that driving cars is wrong, too? Human being are animals. How can they possibly do anything that isn't natural?

Homosexuality amongst any animal is unnatural as sexual intercourse was only meant for reproduction, nothing more

Wrong. For one thing, it produces pleasure and emotional bonds. Do you deny that? Do you deny that sex is pleasurable? Do you deny that it promotes emotional bonds? No? Ok, then stop pretending that all that it does is make babies. It very rarely makes babies, considering how frequently we all practice it.

Your arguments are thin Zom...

Dolphins, bonobos, rats, cats, dogs... many higher mammals practice homosexuality and, even if it weren't natural (which it is), would that mean that driving cars is wrong, too? Human being are animals.

Proof that they actually practice homosexuality and are not practicing dominance?

Driving cars is a horrible analogy. You would have to go with something that wasn't technologically advanced...Let's stick with biology ok?

How can they possibly do anything that isn't natural?

By your logic, enslavement was a natural process of the human race. i.e. humans=animals=cannot do anything that is unnatural. Correct me if I am wrong...

For one thing, it produces pleasure and emotional bonds. Do you deny that? Do you deny that sex is pleasurable? Do you deny that it promotes emotional bonds? No? Ok, then stop pretending that all that it does is make babies. It very rarely makes babies, considering how frequently we all practice it.

Hehehe...I was awiting this one. Does it produce emotional bonds and pleasure amongst all animals? No. It was never meant to. We, as humans, have put that emotional bond in place. Pleasure is another thing...but it could easily be remedied by saying that some find self mutilation "pleasureable" but it is definitely not natural. I use natural in the form of:

c. Biology Not produced or changed artificially; not conditioned

A shame...all of your arguments are conditioned...

It very rarely makes babies, considering how frequently we all practice it.

I won't even touch this one...too many factors.

Driving cars is a horrible analogy. You would have to go with something that wasn't technologically advanced...Let's stick with biology ok?

Your argument is that driving cars is natural, and homosexuality isn't, then? Driving cars is biological... do you use your magic powers to push the gas pedal?

By your logic, enslavement was a natural process of the human race. i.e. humans=animals=cannot do anything that is unnatural. Correct me if I am wrong...

Nope, you're right. It's wrong, but not because it's unnatural.

We, as humans, have put that emotional bond in place.

If you're under the impression that human beings are the only higher mammals that perform sexual acts to build social bonds, that is because you've probably never heard of the discovery channel, nor owned any pets.

A shame...all of your arguments are conditioned...

Are you claiming that homosexuallity is created by space aliens who interfere with biology?

Or are you just really stupid?

You are insulting ZomZom but I knew someone on this board would be...

Let us start from the top then.

What causes homosexuality: 3 main theories are being discussed

1. Genetics/biology

2. Chemical Imbalance (in the brain or otherwise)

3. It is a choice

Now I have gone with the biological one as that is the most common theory within the gay community. And when I based my arguments off of them I try and make them relevant...

Your argument is that driving cars is natural, and homosexuality isn't, then? Driving cars is biological... do you use your magic powers to push the gas pedal?

Driving is a practice that takes teaching. Are you suggesting homosexuality is a practice as well? (Two can play at this game)

Nope, you're right. It's wrong, but not because it's unnatural.

Please elaborate. You said humans=animals and you then suggested that animals can do something that is not natural. I gave you my definition of natural because, once again, we do want to make this argument biological, do we not?

If you're under the impression that human beings are the only higher mammals that perform sexual acts to build social bonds, that is because you've probably never heard of the discovery channel, nor owned any pets.

Ahh...I never said this but you are correct. SOME animals perform sexual acts in order to form social bonds. there are also animals who mate with the first animal of the opposite sex that they see. There are also animals that mate and leave, never to be seen again.

The point being is that there are humans/animals that do not mate for social bonds (strictly pleasure) and there are those that mate for strictly pleasure (not social bonds) and then there are those that do both. Thus it is conditional and not natural. The basic method of "sex" was created to reproduce. I assume this was not something that was taught, learned, or otherwise because animals would have died out a long long time ago if they had to "practice" sex in order to get it right. Most animals are hardwired and know how to "do it". The mother bird does not bring out a diagram and slideshow. OK?

Are you claiming that homosexuallity is created by space aliens who interfere with biology?

Or are you just really stupid?

I would like to think neither.

Darwin came to the conclusion that homosexual behavior also wasn't natural.

He didn't say it was "wrong" or "immoral" as those things are subjective.

Zom Zom - apparently, the latter is correct

Gundy - "It isn't wrong to hate homosexuality" - yes it is, it is wrong because it is completely senseless. It is wrong to hate red hair, it is wrontg to hate blue eyes, it is wrong to hate ant inherited trait. - and dam* stupid

"Does it produce emotional bonds and pleasure amongst all animals?" Yes, consider Wolves (who mate for life) - that is real bonding. Consider all the animals who masturbate in some fashion - they are getting pleasure.

Frankly I pity anyone so sterile so peurile that they think sex is all about reproduction - you must have missed the class on how to be a human

*sigh*

it is wrong to hate ant inherited trait

This makes no sense since homosexuality isn't a trait or inherited...

"Hate" could be construed as "Disdain" or "Dislike". i.e. I hold disdain for afros. I hate afros.

Does it produce emotional bonds and pleasure amongst all animals?" Yes, consider Wolves (who mate for life) - that is real bonding. Consider all the animals who masturbate in some fashion - they are getting pleasure.

No. You give a conditioned example to express your point. I could give one to counter and we would go back and forth all day.

Frankly I pity anyone so sterile so peurile that they think sex is all about reproduction - you must have missed the class on how to be a human

This isn't about anyone in particular but some people enjoy sexual acts more than others. Some enjoy it immensely some do not. What is your point? Those who enjoy sex more are...what? Did you read my counter argument about mutilation? Some people enjoy it (even sexually) some don't.

If you want to make this a moral war go ahead. But just know that "pleasure" is not a moral argument neither is somehting that is expedient.

I just watched Brokeback Mountain. It crushed me.  They were both such likable guys. Some guys I know are gay but I don't know if they even have sex. I do know they have a tight relationship and all the problem married folks do. Love is natural but what you love is idiosyncratic.

Homophobia Is Killing Our Youth

Little dramatic don't ya think? Didn't kill my youth its not gonna kill my son's youth.

I wonder which kills more, homophobia or aids. By the way, I don't think we should hate or attack anyone, but we can certainly disagree with their actions and choices.

I would like someone to tell me how it is healthy and natural to take your private part and put it in the place that was designed to excrete food waste. Nobody seems to want to discuss this when we talk about natural interactions. I know a gay guy that has had to have several surgeries because of this. So, come on, tell me how this is natural.

Watch this video, should shed some light, I think you will like it,

What's Morally Wrong with Homosexuality Woman some times need to be stitched up after giving birth, large object through a fixed opening. Your friend over did it, heterosexual also engage in anal and oral sex.

What's Morally Wrong with Homosexuality

COOL VIDEO

I was looking for a real response. Not to watch a video. Many shades of delusion. Men have penises, women have vaginas. They were made for each other. Do what you want, but don't try to force acceptance as normal and natural on innocent children. I will not teach my children hate, I will just explain how some people are confused and they can't help it. And yes, sometimes a woman needs stitched after birth. Not after having a penis inserted in her vagina. Nor does she get aids from birthing. And just because some women also have anal sex, does not make that a natural act either. You are debating from a deluded view. I have nothing against gays personally. I just don't think it is right to expect the general public to agree with your acts as being natural.

third - had you watched the video he gave you a good response if the parts did not fit how could anyone do it?

Your arguments are silly, childish; and the video addressed them with humor.

Homosexual;ity IS normal and natural - do not force your sick anti-natural perverse ideas that it is unnatural on children. No homosexuals are not confused; people who think it is unnatural ignoring the thousands of other species that also have homosexuals are confused.

Yes some women can need to be stitched up after heterosexual sex; it does happen.

Yes you can get aids from heterosexual sex

Yes, anal sex is a natural act and is also performed by thousands of other species

You are the one with the problem, you are afraid of heterosexual sex as much as homosexual sex. You are the one denying god, denying his actions and through them his real word. You need to quit listening to the horribly misinterpreted word of man and start listening to the acts of god - who created homosexuals in thousands of species

eriq, although we have not conversed before, I have seen your comments around the vine. Therefore your demented personal attacks do not phase me. Nice try though!

Eriq and the others

let me ask you three questions

1.do you think its ok to rape?

2.Is cannibalism ok?

3. Is infanticide ok?

Mav

Third? What are you thinking about anal sex? Maybe you and your wife should talk? There is more to life than anal sex.

Hey you never did mention oral sex, what are your views on that? I hope you only practice missionary position.

What am I saying, this is stuff that happens in your house. This is none of my business.

No Mav I dont those are crimes. Not a fan of things where there are victims and perpetrators.

Stilll waiting for lady blue,blue boy,zom zom and some of the others to answer these questions.

Mav

Mav,

Here are your answers.

1. Rape wrong, period. It implies another person takes advantage of a weaker person, or a made weak person, for sex. It violated their very human right to say "no" and refuse sexual relations with a person.

2. Cannibalism is not only in nature but also very common still in cetain cultures. Some African cultures believe that when someone dies they free their friends spirits by cannibalising their body. I wouldn't do it, so don't get me wrong. Cannibalism is wrong in my eyes simply because I think if someone could eat a dead person and enjoy it then they would more than likely kill people to get the enjoyment again and again like a addiction.

3. Well...no its not okay, the infant has rights to live, it can't speak for itself and it can't do anything for itself. If a parent neglects their child and leads to its death, or purposely causes the infants death then it's murder. Murder is bad you know ?

Now that I've answered your questions, you have to answer mine.

1. Explain to me how these connect since there are victims in every thing you asked.

2. Since you think that Gay couples somehow involve a victim or is a crime, explain the crime.

3. What does it take to convince people that homosexuals are happy the way they are and just want to be living their life like everyone else without people interfering with it ?

Answer it, I do demand it. If you don't I'll chase you down and give you a big wet willy for poor sportsmanship.

Mav - you addressed me so I will answer you

1) rape involves force - be it physical force, or emotional, or financial it is still force - i.e. a rape is an assault

2) Cannibalism - is undefined. Are you talking about killing and eating or just eating. Personally after I am dead, if my body is useful to others either for transplants or dinjner, that is better than burying it (a body is basically toxic waste when buried without a coffin that prevents it from mixing with the ground; cremation is waste and pollution)

3) Infanticide is also undefined. I figure you are trying to twist this into a pro-choice vs pro-life argument but that involves defining a fetus of 2 days as a infant and no-one would agree with that. What about a situation where you have to quarantine a group that includes infants to protect others from a disease - which means death for the quarantinees, including those infants.

It is obvious that you are confused and are oversimplifying this to fit your own political / ego stance but it won't hold up.

Third

Your arguments are silly, childish; and the video addressed them with humor.

That was not me, that was the video, the one you refused to watch in your childish, silly temper tantrum

Word of warning - when you make a comment it says below in the green band "You are posting this comment to a publicly viewable discussion."

What does it take to convince people that homosexuals are happy the way they are and just want to be living their life like everyone else without people interfering with it ?

If they were happy the way they were they wouldn't be pushing for marriage...so I guess what it will take is a compromise of civil unions..oh wait, that's already been done.

I know I am not mav, but I will take a crack at some of these questions:

1. Explain to me how these connect since there are victims in every thing you asked.

It quickly puts the hammer down on the homosexuality "done in the wild" argument. Rape, canibalism, and infanticide are performed in the wild as well. All of these things are conditional may I remind everyone...

I answered question #3 in my post #1.33.

What I find most interesting about this little exercise is the answers that you eriq give.
But I am going to address both of yours and blue boys answers at the same time.
Both of you pretty much agree that the answer to the first question of rape is a horrible act.
I think we all can agree about cannibalism Donner party of 12?
Infanticide has a clear definition; the killing of an infant or young child.
Now Blue boy you suggest or more or less assume my thought process with your answer.
1.Explain to me how these connect since there are victims in everything you asked.
2. Since you think that Gay couples somehow involve a victim or is a crime, explain the crime.
3. What does it take to convince people that homosexuals are happy the way they are and just want to be living their life like everyone else without people interfering with it ?
1. You all argue since there is homosexuality in animals that it’s ok for homosexuality in people.
2. I never once said there was a victim in homosexuality I merely asked a question in fact it was less than 8 words long.
3. Oh I have no doubt that you’re not happy in your little world. You see the problem I have is you all demand that everyone accepts who you are. You will never hear me demand of you to accept that I am a veteran matter of fact you will never even hear me ask for you to say thank you to me.
4. Stop interfering with my life and I will stop interfering into yours is this fair enough? You want to suck a dick go ahead shut the hell up about it.
5. It is obvious that you are confused and are oversimplifying this to fit your own political / ego stance but it won't hold up. To fit my political stance what is my political stance? Do you even know? My ego really? Do you know me have we met before?

So here we have those of you that are gay, lesbians, transgender demanding the world for acceptance.
You arguments to justify your life style range from a variety of things that you all find so that you may justify to the world why it is the way you are. Why you can’t just be happy with whom you are and shut up about it. You all used animals to back your debate but you left a few things out. If you do some reading you will see there is a consensus that most scientist really don’t know. But like I say you leave stuff out of your argument so your argument suits your needs.
Animals in the animal kingdom commit acts of rape it is well documented look it up.
Can’t a rapist use your same form of logic because animals do it? Why can they not? Is it immoral and wrong?
Animals also eat each other in the form of cannibalism. If I wanted to gnaw on someone’s arm and eat it can’t I justify my actions using the same logic you all use? Animals do it why can’t I?
Animals commit infanticide male lions will kill the cubs of another lion.
Here is a link to an article of infanticide in Norway rats.
http://www.ratbehavior.org/infanticide.htm
Can you justify someone killing babies based on your arguments of animals do it?
What I find interesting is how you take just one little part of something and base your reasons off of it.
And you completely and totally ignore the rest of it.
Let me help you out with your argument why are you gay? Answer simple I just happen to like men over women and vice versa simple end of story end of the discussion end of the debate.
But no we have to come out with stuff like Homophobia Is Killing Our Youth. That’s flat out bull @!$%#
I should come out with one that says anti-veteran is killing our youth.
Here you want the solution to all of your problems 1. Shut up stop forcing your views, ideas, sexual orientation the fact that you suck on the sausage or lick the carpet off on everyone else stop demanding everyone accept you. Not everyone accepts who I am quite frankly I could give a Norway rat’s ass.
Like I have said in the past you’re never going to be happy with gay marriage and acceptance as enough.
You need more you need other peoples kids and everyone in the world to accept you. You know what they don’t its life and that’s tuff cookies.
You don’t care that I am a veteran and I don’t give a crap if your gay but what I am fricken sick and tired of is your forcing stuff down my throat because I don’t agree with your views. Here is a clue the world is not going to stop for you live or die it continues to turn.
Be happy with whom you are be happy with you and your partner be happy knowing not everyone accepts you.

Mav

Feel better Mav. You know there is more to a relationship besides sex. Why the hell are you thinking of gay sex? Care to share. You are right you should not have things shoved down your throat like the BIBLE.

I feel that some on this thread have decided to beafraid and hate anything they don't understand. Their world's are terribly bound.

4. Stop interfering with my life and I will stop interfering into yours is this fair enough? You want to suck a dick go ahead shut the hell up about it.
5. It is obvious that you are confused and are oversimplifying this to fit your own political / ego stance but it won't hold up. To fit my political stance what is my political stance? Do you even know? My ego really? Do you know me have we met before?

What agenda ? I'm not a homosexual, I just believe in equal rights.

Don't you know that simplicity is the ultimate intelligence, not only that I'll even quote Einstein: "Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." ;).

It really is THAT simple, you can't deny a group of millions of people that are happy and consentual in their nature just because YOU think it's wrong. No one every said you had to agree with it, I never said that atleast. I cannot speak for everyone else, I won't call you a bigot because you believe it's not natural. But I will call you a bigot if you say anything about God or the bible. Religion has no platform, so why do people try to use it ?

The best argument for it is the recreational argument, and that's really about it. All other arguments usually stem from homophobic tendecies from sexual crises within the person and Religious beliefs. If you don't believe me, just go look it up, the "liberal" Google will show you.

You assume too much by thinking I'm a homosexual, I want no more than to just see people get their equal rights, like they deserve as Americans are entitled to.

So here we have those of you that are gay, lesbians, transgender demanding the world for acceptance.
You arguments to justify your life style range from a variety of things that you all find so that you may justify to the world why it is the way you are. Why you can’t just be happy with whom you are and shut up about it. You all used animals to back your debate but you left a few things out. If you do some reading you will see there is a consensus that most scientist really don’t know. But like I say you leave stuff out of your argument so your argument suits your needs.
Animals in the animal kingdom commit acts of rape it is well documented look it up.
Can’t a rapist use your same form of logic because animals do it? Why can they not? Is it immoral and wrong?

Well no, because rape infringes on another persons rights. Animals are savages, you know that humans are animals right ? We are savage in our natural nature just like every other animal, rape is one of those savage parts of human and wild animal nature.

Animals also eat each other in the form of cannibalism. If I wanted to gnaw on someone’s arm and eat it can’t I justify my actions using the same logic you all use? Animals do it why can’t I?
Animals commit infanticide male lions will kill the cubs of another lion.
Here is a link to an article of infanticide in Norway rats.

Read argument above, the same applies.

Let me help you out with your argument why are you gay? Answer simple I just happen to like men over women and vice versa simple end of story end of the discussion end of the debate.
But no we have to come out with stuff like Homophobia Is Killing Our Youth. That’s flat out bull @!$%#
I should come out with one that says anti-veteran is killing our youth.
Here you want the solution to all of your problems

Again, you assume too much, I am not Gay. I don't understand how homophobia isn't damaging our youth. People killing themselves because people are torturing them at school constantly is bad, how is that not damaging our youth ?

I have a strange feeling in my stomach you think the majority rules no matter what. The majority doesn't have the right to make the minority conform to their beliefs because it just so happens the majority feels its just icky to allow marriage.

1. Shut up stop forcing your views, ideas, sexual orientation the fact that you suck on the sausage or lick the carpet off on everyone else stop demanding everyone accept you. Not everyone accepts who I am quite frankly I could give a Norway rat’s ass.

Yet again, I'm not foricing MY views or sexual orientation on anyone and neither are they. They want the law to treat them equally as the Consitution demand.

If you didn't give a "rat's" ass then you wouldn't care to defend traditional marriage, I can see through your rant curtain. Since you can't truly explain why they don't deserve equal rights, you make them seem less equal to make yourself feel better on the inside.

You don’t care that I am a veteran and I don’t give a crap if your gay but what I am fricken sick and tired of is your forcing stuff down my throat because I don’t agree with your views. Here is a clue the world is not going to stop for you live or die it continues to turn.
Be happy with whom you are be happy with you and your partner be happy knowing not everyone accepts you.

Mav

No ones forcing anything on you, again. They are simply wanting the same right you hold close to your heart. Your rights won't be violated or changed, let's not use our words so loosely here.

How can someone be happy with who they are if society keeps holding their happyness back ?

If you TRULY don't care about all of this then why do you care soo much ? If you didn't care you wouldn't be here shouting profanities and claiming everyone that defends human rights is a homosexual.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with the fact that people should be happy! People just can't be happy when they can't be entitled to the same rights as everyone else.

close blue boy but no cigar

mav

Yet again, I'm not foricing MY views or sexual orientation on anyone and neither are they. They want the law to treat them equally as the Consitution demand.

really there not? can you point to me where in the constitution that it says you must teach homosexuality to children in schools?

here are the problems that you continue to miss

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/parker/diversity_book.html

Kindergartners were given picture books telling them that same-sex couples are just another kind of family, like their own parents. In 2005, when David Parker of Lexington, MA – a parent of a kindergartner – strongly insisted on being notified when teachers were discussing homosexuality or transgenderism with his son, the school had him arrested and put in jail

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/parker/main.html

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09a/NNHS_gayday09/index.html

http://www.montanasnews.tv/articles.php?mode=view&id=4307

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jan/09010812.html

so everyone's children must be taught that homosexuality is ok lets not teach kids what they need to learn.

these are the problem's that I have what gives them the right over everyone else to push what they believe off on anyone else rant no not yet but i can rant if you like.

have a strange feeling in my stomach you think the majority rules no matter what.

Do you have this same feeling about majority rule when its something you support?

Blue Boy

Torch621,

I think he has made a very valid point, maybe not with sexual acts but his last good comment.

The amount of spending and deficit growth going on is deadly serious and deserves serious conversation. By not having a clear message when you go out to protest you only serve to confuse the issue and you accomplish nothing. If the messaging had been clearer perhaps there would have been better turnout and a stronger positive response.

This is what the problem is the turnouts, people don't even know what they are protesting against. Sure, there are a few select people that know EXACTLY what the problem is( or so they believe), but you have these people that I call sheep that don't really even know what's going on in the world.

Let's just all meet up compare clothing, clap our hands together, and yell, like babies and call it a Tea party.

Oh, the frickin irony.

does this ring a bell mr sick feeling in my stomach? so this only applies when the other majority doesn't agree with your views?

As is stated before its only when it justifies what you want to justify.

since you can't truly explain why they don't deserve equal rights, you make them seem less equal to make yourself feel better on the inside.

They have the same fricking rights as you and i they want they gay marriage they are getting it but it still is not good enough it also needs to be taught to children in school.

And that up there is two states.

So mr human rights activist im not gay one quick look at every thing you have ever commented on. has to do with gay rights so mr christian mr im not gay where is your out cry on women's rights? where is your out cry on 1000 of mass graves in iraq?

where is your out cry on genocide?

where is your outcry on torture?

and on and on and on and on i find it funny how you sit back smugly and play your little games because someone doesn't agree with your views and your opinions and your human rights escapade for one group of people.

One more thing mr christian point to me on place one single place verse in the bible where jesus says its ok to be gay and married?
Oh and i dont even own a bible and i deffienitly do not go to church.

have a good night mr one sided human rights activist the only human rights you advocate for are of your picking and choosing that makes you a hypocrite.

And a bad human rights actavist.

Mav

i missed the edit time

does this ring a bell mr sick feeling in my stomach? so this only applies when you are in the majority and they agree with your views?

Mav

So Mav do you have an example where some one has shoved something down your throat?

Do you have anything from the AP and not anti gay groups? I see nothing where it says this was shoved down Mavs throat.

I live in MA and there is no outcry because there is nothing to outcry. Tell me what happened to that story from 4 years ago? How did it end?

NotSanta,

Hello from another Ma$$hole! I'll tell you how it ended: a reversal of public opinion. In 2004, Massachusetts residents were split 60-40 opposed to gay marriage. After nearly five years of legality (with no discernible descending of the sky), residents are now split 60-40 in favor of gay marriage.

If I'm being honest, I'm a bit disappointed in our legislature for never letting this issue come to a vote, if only because it would be fun to see how the far-right reacts when gay marriage is approved by a majority vote of the residents in a state.

They have the same fricking rights as you and i they want they gay marriage they are getting it but it still is not good enough it also needs to be taught to children in school.

And that up there is two states.

So mr human rights activist im not gay one quick look at every thing you have ever commented on. has to do with gay rights so mr christian mr im not gay where is your out cry on women's rights? where is your out cry on 1000 of mass graves in iraq?

Funny, seems you have completely ignored the articles I've wrote that clearly show my stance against racism and sexism.

You also completely ignored tcomments I've made about the Tea parties saying people would listen to their message if it was more clear. Maybe you should go read all my comments and instead of reading like maybe 3 of them and making your clear cut judgement of me.

I'm a advocate for Gay rights in particular since I've been lobbying for it for almost 8 years now. I've been in Washington D.C. for the march, I've been donating my own hard earned money to HRC every time I can spare it.

What have you done for your cause ? Complain and point fingers on internet forums ?

You don't know me mavrick, not..one..bit.

have a good night mr one sided human rights activist the only human rights you advocate for are of your picking and choosing that makes you a hypocrite.

And a bad human rights actavist.

Right, so if I work harder on a particular oppressed group of people that makes me a hypocrite ?

I've fought against racism in my area, I would've fought against womens rights being trampled on to, but we don't have that problem here at least.

here are the problems that you continue to miss

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/parker/diversity_book.html

Kindergartners were given picture books telling them that same-sex couples are just another kind of family, like their own parents. In 2005, when David Parker of Lexington, MA – a parent of a kindergartner – strongly insisted on being notified when teachers were discussing homosexuality or transgenderism with his son, the school had him arrested and put in jail

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/parker/main.html

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09a/NNHS_gayday09/index.html

http://www.montanasnews.tv/articles.php?mode=view&id=4307

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jan/09010812.html

So you think its wrong for children at school to be taught that homosexual people are like everyone else ?

Ah, I see. It goes to show what I always thought is actually true about religious people.

Keep em' dumb, and they will follow.

Yeah, teach your kids that homosexuals are just Godless people with no morals and whatever, brainwash your kids into hating a whole group of people they don't even know.

That's not like this argument was not used with interracial marriage.

So your saying it's just flat out okay to let people teach their children that homosexuality is a sin from God and there should be nothing else in their life to tell them different than that ?

This is like the movie The Waterboy, he goes to school with all this @!$%# his mother told him that is not the truth. This is how bigotry stays alive in the country, people teach their kids their bigoted views about something and then the kids will be raised to believe it and defend it their whole life simply because their parents burned it into their mind.

I live in Alabama okay, it's not the most liberal place in the world. People here are still very much racist, sexist and very religious.

Your whole argument is simply this: "I don't think they are equal, and God damn if the schools tell my children that I am ignorant for believing that".

Well, you are, sorry.

You still haven't told me how they are forcing their beliefs on you yet. Teaching kids in school that homosexual families exist ( because they do ) is not teaching your kids to be gay or be accept the gay lifestyle. It's simply showing your kid that Gay families do exist in America and through their life they will see them and they shouldn't have to feel like they are anything less of a equal person if they end up being gay.

Tolerance or not ? If you can't stand the fact that they kids will learn that homosexual families exist in our beautiful country. Is that tolerance ? I think it's blinding your children from the world REALLY is. Not how morally correct you want it to see to be.

What I find interesting is how right you feel about all of it, you feel it's violating your rights when it's not. The school has the obligation to teach a child so they can have a good future, and your gonna tell a school they can't teach kids that homosexuals are part of American society ? I guess you will also protest when school have homosexuals in the history books saying they were a oppressed society by Republicans and religious extremist.